5/29/2010 Meeting Transcript

Below is the transcript of the most recent Guild of Peasants meeting. We had a much greater turn-out than the previous week, and that means there were almost as many negatives as there were positives. A total of almost 20 people were involved in the meeting at one time or another, with the most at once being 12. However, very few understood what the meeting was about or what the "field trip" was for, which is probably my fault, as I should have informed everyone better. Consequently, many tangents ensued, a troll trolled, only 4 or 5 were still participating at the end, and only the most basic of information was able to be shared.

Don't start thinking it was a complete failure, though! We all (including myself) learned a lot more about our own (and each others') methods of operation, how the Life Level System can work in our own lives, and what we can do to make meetings better. As for that last part, from now on I will send out KI-mails to everyone who needs them, explaining the basics of the Guild, Life Levels, and how low Life Levels caused the pride that made D'ni fall. That way the preliminary, introductory stuff can be covered quickly, and we can move more quickly in getting to the real meat of the Guild of Peasants: helping each other (both inside and outside of the Guild) fully achieve Life Level 4, and prepare for Life Level 5. What is Life level 5? If you really, honestly think you're at least solidly in Life Level 4, then email, KI-mail, or PM me, and I'll tell you about it. Trust me, you'll understand then why I can't just go around talking to everyone about Life Levels 5 and above.

I also want suggestions for games we can play as a large or small group, even if they have nothing to do with the Guild's purpose. I like the idea of Sardines, and a Heek tournament might not be a bad idea, either. Again, email, KI-mail, or PM me if you have any suggestions about anything for the Guild. It's called the Guild of Peasants for a reason! We all need to contribute to make Yeesha's dream of New D'ni a reality!

So here is the Chat Log for last Saturday's meeting, heavily edited to exclude the tangents and occasional rudeness/off-color humor that a few were responsible for. And thanks to everyone who participated and contributed in good ways. You're making a bigger difference than you know!

Edited Chat Log

Guild of Peasants' Bevin

29 May, 2010, 16:00:42 - 17:48:04 KI Time

(05/29 16:00:54) White Knight: Shorah, everyone!

(05/29 16:01:11) Dra'gossh: shorah Knight

(05/29 16:01:13) B'ni Rabbit: So whats going on? Is it a party?

(05/29 16:01:51) White Knight: Now, for everyone's sake, I won't be using a mic...but typing can sometimes take me a while (I have my 1-year-old son on my lap) so just bear with me :)

(05/29 16:05:46) White Knight: So, thank you everyone, for coming!

(05/29 16:06:17) Adam Upson: Hello every one

(05/29 16:06:23) B'ni Rabbit: hi Adam

(05/29 16:06:28) Tanshin: White Knight, take the floor :)

(05/29 16:06:37) White Knight: Who here doesn't even know what the Guild of Peasants is, and wants to know before we go anywhere or do anything?

(05/29 16:06:45) LongPigeon: me

(05/29 16:06:47) Dra'gossh: I wanna know

(05/29 16:06:48) Tanshin: I read some stuff about it

(05/29 16:06:54) Arjan: ok let us hear

(05/29 16:06:56) Tanshin: It has something to do with the fall of the D'ni and stuff

(05/29 16:07:26) Dra'gossh: that's a good initiative

(05/29 16:07:31) White Knight: I'm sending out a KImail now

(05/29 16:10:36) White Knight: Ok, then

(05/29 16:11:00) Tanshin: Alright, take it away Knight

(05/29 16:11:33) White Knight: but again, please give me time to type...got a 1-year-old here with me who's attacking the keyboard ;)

(05/29 16:11:39) DimensionTravelerCalum: lol

(05/29 16:11:41) Tanshin: lol

(05/29 16:11:45) B'ni Rabbit: :))

(05/29 16:11:51) LongPigeon: that's cute

(05/29 16:13:03) White Knight: So, the Guild uses what's called the Life Level System to accomplish its goal

(05/29 16:13:45) Tanshin: So, elaborate on this system O:)

(05/29 16:14:20) White Knight: but first, we all need to be on the same page with the Life Level Sytem

(05/29 16:14:36) White Knight: *then* it'll be time for a field-trip

(05/29 16:15:43) White Knight: ok, first, you must understand that we each have different layers within us

(05/29 16:16:00) Tanshin: This sounds intense

(05/29 16:16:02) White Knight: we have external stuff: friends, money, job, etc

(05/29 16:16:17) Tanshin: We're have layers, like onions!

(05/29 16:16:18) D'Ana: not me

(05/29 16:16:23) Dra'gossh: lol

(05/29 16:16:38) LongPigeon: lol

(05/29 16:16:39) White Knight: This, by the way, is a crash-course into, so I don't expect any of you to completely understand this, yet

(05/29 16:16:50) White Knight: yes! like onions

(05/29 16:16:54) White Knight: :)

(05/29 16:16:57) White Knight: and cake

(05/29 16:17:02) Tanshin: No, that's a lie

(05/29 16:17:03) DimensionTravelerCalum: cake is a lie!

(05/29 16:17:05) White Knight: lol!

(05/29 16:17:08) B'ni Rabbit: :)

(05/29 16:18:02) White Knight: the next layer down is Knowledge/Skills: They empower our external stuff.

(05/29 16:18:33) White Knight: even if you lose what you have on the outside, if you have enough of the next layer down, the loss will be temporary and you'll recover faster

(05/29 16:20:28) White Knight: we all want to become better people in general, right?

(05/29 16:20:40) Tanshin: I like being good

(05/29 16:20:51) Tanshin: Being good is a good thing, because that's just good

(05/29 16:20:52) White Knight: and it is because of D'ni's pride and lack of anything good inside them that they fell

(05/29 16:20:54) Dra'gossh: heh

(05/29 16:20:57) Dra'gossh: that's good Tan

(05/29 16:22:07) White Knight: D'ni had plenty of external possessions, lots of knowledge/skills, but they really failed in the next layer down: Virtures (patience, responsibility, friendliness, etc)

(05/29 16:22:19) LongPigeon: i'm getting hungry, can we go on the trip already?

(05/29 16:22:38) Tanshin: Listen to Knight and you won't get hungry

(05/29 16:22:42) White Knight: ok, but you need to understand all this first...

(05/29 16:22:49) White Knight: so you know how the Guild works...

(05/29 16:23:05) White Knight: ...and so you know what we're talking about when we go on the field trip

(05/29 16:23:07) Tanshin: lol

(05/29 16:23:14) White Knight: ok...

(05/29 16:24:12) White Knight: so if virtues empower knowledge which in turn empower external stuff, what empowers virtues? what allows us to grow more in those things?

(05/29 16:25:00) Dra'gossh: love, Knight? dunno

(05/29 16:25:18) White Knight: love is another (and probably the best) virtue

(05/29 16:25:36) White Knight: think of it like a building:

(05/29 16:26:26) LongPigeon: okay, knight, so what's holding all this together?

(05/29 16:26:31) White Knight: the roof is like possessions, the walls are like knowledge/skills, and the foundation is like virtues. The very materials those things are made of is the next and last layer: Life Levels!

(05/29 16:27:56) White Knight: Life Levels are descriptions of the way we each live...what drives us to do whatever. it's a measurement of our intensions, getting better and better the further up you go

(05/29 16:29:53) White Knight: Life Level 0 = Savagery: no real method of operating, just pure impulse

(05/29 16:30:02) LongPigeon: I think we are all waiting for some action

(05/29 16:30:09) White Knight: alright, alright

(05/29 16:31:23) White Knight: don't get mad, but we're all going to go to the Palace (the round room in Ae'gura with all the DRC notebooks) and there I want to tell you the rest of the Life Levels in relation to the ancient Kings

(05/29 16:31:57) White Knight: I want to use them as examples

(05/29 16:32:23) White Knight: Everyone got that?

(05/29 16:32:24) LongPigeon: sorry, knight, I was bored

(05/29 16:32:30) White Knight: No, it's ok

(05/29 16:32:52) LongPigeon: so to the palace then?

(05/29 16:32:58) White Knight: Yep

(05/29 16:33:04) Tanshin: Alright, sounds good

(05/29 16:33:07) White Knight: Thanks for coming here for the preliminary explanation

(05/29 16:33:11) White Knight: :)

(05/29 16:33:23) White Knight: On to the Palace for more discussion!

(05/29 16:33:31) White Knight: Oh, and go through the Nexus

Palace, D'ni Ae'gura

(05/29 16:36:20) White Knight: so, we're here in the Palace...

(05/29 16:36:39) White Knight: have any of you read these books?

(05/29 16:36:46) White Knight gestures around him

(05/29 16:36:53) Dra'gossh: I read some

(05/29 16:36:57) D'Ana: sure, i can repeat them in sleep

(05/29 16:37:02) White Knight: wow

(05/29 16:37:04) White Knight: ;)

(05/29 16:37:44) Tanshin: I haven't read them Knight, but I am relatively familiar with most if not all of them

(05/29 16:38:05) White Knight: well, it was the methods of operation of the Kings and the people they governed that either drove D'ni into the ground (no pun intended) or made D'ni rise to a glorious civilization

(05/29 16:39:20) White Knight: and it's these methods of operation, a.k.a. Life Levels, that I want to tell you about so that you can raise your own Life level in your own life, and become a better person

(05/29 16:39:58) White Knight: thereby making this world better, if only a little bit, one person at a time

(05/29 16:40:29) White Knight: so the Life Levels measure the way we think, and what drives us to do anything

(05/29 16:42:05) White Knight: Life Level 0 is when one operates without any thought, introspection, anything: just on impulse

(05/29 16:43:10) White Knight: Life level 1, then, is when though there is thought, it is still self-based, causing a lot of self-justification, pride, greed, etc

(05/29 16:43:26) Dra'gossh: sounds like most people in the world

(05/29 16:44:07) White Knight: A Life Level 2 person is a step up from LL1 in that they now care about what others want, and will let that care drive them in all they do

(05/29 16:44:56) Tanshin: I'm at least level 2 I guess then

(05/29 16:45:11) White Knight: Life Level 3 is all about being driven by what one perceives to be right, but following the rules or one's perspective of life without question

(05/29 16:45:15) Tanshin: I'm one to put others before myself

(05/29 16:45:25) White Knight: good! :)

(05/29 16:45:28) D'Ana: i am not sure about this level talk, please explain

(05/29 16:45:42) White Knight: these are all ways we all live our lives

(05/29 16:45:47) White Knight: they're just organized into an order that increases on and on...

(05/29 16:45:48) Dra'gossh: I'm ALWAYS doing that, and sometimes I think it's not that good

(05/29 16:45:49) Tanshin: Level 3 agrees with me for the most part as well

(05/29 16:46:29) Tanshin: I'm also one who tries to do the right thing, and always seems to get yelled at afterwards :P

(05/29 16:46:33) White Knight: yeah, Tanshin, you keep all good aspects of previous LLs as you grow to higher ones

(05/29 16:46:58) White Knight: ah, really? That's really good, if you do the right thing, even if it doesn't seem right to others!

(05/29 16:47:59) White Knight: Life Level 4 is like that: where one will openly, honestly try to do the very best thing always, even if it goes against culture, their own paradigm, the rules, anything!

(05/29 16:49:30) White Knight: LL4 people are not swayed by how they were taught while growing up, or by what other people think, or what may give them the best advantage over others

(05/29 16:49:31) Dra'gossh: I think I'm between Level 3 and 4... trying to do the right thing, based on what I perceive is right and on my own principles

(05/29 16:50:11) Tanshin: I'd say I'm between, but slightly to the 4 side

(05/29 16:50:16) White Knight: between 3 and 4? very common, I think. we all tend to be spread over two or three LLs at once

(05/29 16:50:19) Dra'gossh: yeah, I'm laying towards 4 too

(05/29 16:50:29) Dra'gossh: I don't care about trends for one

(05/29 16:50:44) White Knight: 4 is really, really awesome

(05/29 16:50:49) White Knight: ok, so to the Kings...

(05/29 16:51:20) Gylippus: If you did, you probably wouldn't be playing Uru -- not very trendy.

(05/29 16:51:27) White Knight: King Ahlsendar was, I think, quite cool

(05/29 16:53:25) White Knight: the Life Levels continue on to 5, 6,and on and on forever

(05/29 16:54:21) Gylippus: Of course, all this begs the question of how you determine what "doing the best thing" means. That's an easy principle to uphold if you're a Boy Scout, less so after.

(05/29 16:54:48) White Knight: that's a perfect example of how LL3 is just not enough, Gylippus

(05/29 16:55:56) White Knight: being good "by-the-book", so to speak, *IS* what Life Level 3 is all about

(05/29 16:56:36) Gylippus: Most decisions in life can't be made with a "book", nor are they black and white.

(05/29 16:56:46) Dra'gossh: indeed

(05/29 16:56:51) White Knight: but being completely adaptable, changeable, open to anything/everything that comes your way, and honest with yourself is what LL4 is all about

(05/29 16:57:25) Gylippus: I see. Well, I was very open to what that nice, persuasive man said that night at Nuremberg. Does that count?

(05/29 16:58:09) White Knight: being LL4 means looking at *everything* from *every* point of view that you can

(05/29 16:58:59) White Knight: a real LL4 person will not be swayed by clever words, or any other tricks LL1 people love to use

(05/29 16:59:49) White Knight: I'm wanting to teach everyone these things so you can begin to work now on making yourself a better person, and make everything in your life better as a result

(05/29 16:59:54) Dra'gossh: the question is, when do I trust somebody?

(05/29 17:00:49) White Knight: There are a number of ways, I'm just trying to decide on which one I should say first

(05/29 17:02:23) D'Ana: 1. rule, avoid bad company?

(05/29 17:03:10) D'Ana: or educate the bad company to a better person?

(05/29 17:03:12) White Knight: While the Life Level System is not meant to make you able to judge anyone but yourself, you can still use it as a means of assessing others

(05/29 17:03:24) White Knight: Yeah, D'Ana

(05/29 17:04:13) White Knight: If you meet someone who seems to radiate a lot of LL1, my advice would be to only trust them as little as possible

(05/29 17:04:55) White Knight: And I would never trust an LL0 person: they're not really capable of being trustworthy

(05/29 17:05:32) White Knight: So the higher the LL, the more I would trust them

(05/29 17:06:16) White Knight: Someone in a blinding rage can be behaving as an LL0 person

(05/29 17:08:04) White Knight: So, D'ni fell because of Pride, yes, but Pride was a huge problem because of rampant LL1

(05/29 17:08:20) Dra'gossh: D'ni had a God complex, mostly

(05/29 17:08:30) Tanshin looks at Gehn

(05/29 17:08:40) White Knight: Which also tends to come packaged up with LL1

(05/29 17:09:18) White Knight: If D'ni had raised themselves even to LL2, if not LL3 or LL4, then they would not have fallen

(05/29 17:09:18) face in puddle man: yep

(05/29 17:09:27) White Knight: Those LLs would have given them greater virtues

(05/29 17:09:39) Tanshin: And then we could be living amongst them

(05/29 17:09:46) White Knight: Which in turn would have helped support their knowledge/skills

(05/29 17:09:48) Tanshin: Which I would like very much

(05/29 17:09:55) White Knight: Yeah, me too ;)

(05/29 17:09:58) Dra'gossh: I would so move to D'ni

(05/29 17:10:22) Dra'gossh: sometimes I wish we could discover another civilisation living on Earth... for real this time

(05/29 17:10:25) Tanshin: If there were some LL3-4 D'ni, I think they could not only teach other D'ni some lessons, but surface dwellers

(05/29 17:10:30) Dra'gossh: would be cool

(05/29 17:10:32) face in puddle man: yep

(05/29 17:10:34) White Knight: which in turn would have strengthened their use of their external possessions

(05/29 17:10:39) Dra'gossh: Atrus was LL4

(05/29 17:10:50) Tanshin: Hmm, I'd say a 3.5 on Atrus

(05/29 17:11:05) White Knight: he was very LL4-ish

(05/29 17:11:23) Tanshin: Well, maybe a 3.89379

(05/29 17:11:24) White Knight: lol...Gehn, on the other hand...

(05/29 17:11:27) White Knight: LL1

(05/29 17:11:42) Tanshin: I'd say Yeesha is definitely a 4

(05/29 17:12:12) Tanshin: She looked past the barriers between her and the past D'ni to build bridges to the Bahro and the surface

(05/29 17:12:23) White Knight: since I know about LLs 5-10 as well, I'd say she's *very * LL7

(05/29 17:12:36) Tanshin: Yeah, she's up there

(05/29 17:12:43) Tanshin: Catherine?

(05/29 17:13:08) White Knight: hmm...either 4 or 5...but you don't know about LL5 yet, so...

(05/29 17:13:12) D'Ana: Yeesha sacrified herself, that must be the ultimate level

(05/29 17:13:29) White Knight: Life Levels go on and on for ever

(05/29 17:13:44) White Knight: there is a Life Level 15, 25, 100, etc

(05/29 17:16:00) White Knight: so now apply the Life Levels to your own life

(05/29 17:16:11) Kane Doyle: Why

(05/29 17:16:50) White Knight: well, Kane, if you lose everything, like the D'ni did, then you'll wish you had. ;)

(05/29 17:16:58) face in puddle man: yep maybe

(05/29 17:19:10) White Knight: PM me if you ever want to know what LL5 is. Check out the website first (www.GoPeasants.blogspot.com), and if you think you operate in an LL4 way, let me know, and I'll send you more info, so you can try to grow to that Level in your life

(05/29 17:20:56) White Knight: so what questions do any of you have about the Guild of Peasants, Life levels, anything?

(05/29 17:20:58) face in puddle man: i got your invite

(05/29 17:23:19) White Knight: so, the reason why we took our fieldtrip here to the Palace is because I wanted to refer to the Kings as examples of different Life Levels

(05/29 17:25:25) White Knight: King Ahlsendar = LL4

(05/29 17:25:53) White Knight: King Me'erta = LL1

(05/29 17:27:11) White Knight: King Rakeri was interesting. First he was between LL3 and LL4, but then with the help of Tevahr, grew to LL4

(05/29 17:29:30) D'Ana: i think its very male dominated, no queens? so D'ni would never have perished

(05/29 17:29:47) White Knight: Eventually, Dni as a whole lived in LL1 and society crumbled as a result

(05/29 17:30:38) White Knight: Sadly, men have shown lower Life Levels than women over history

(05/29 17:31:15) White Knight: I see no real reason for it, but it's still sad. Men have every ability women do to raise their Life Level, but few ever do

(05/29 17:32:39) D'Ana: no queens in the front, so sad. Women are stronger than men sometimes

(05/29 17:33:01) White Knight: Well, feel free to go, if you want. Thank you, everyone, for coming to the meeting! we'll have another similar discussion next week around the same time! Check out www.GoPeasants.blogspot.com to keep up-to-date with everything

(05/29 17:33:24) White Knight: Feel free to continue asking me questions or make comments, tho

(05/29 17:34:14) D'Ana: its clear to me now, D'ni needs womens power, ok girls??

(05/29 17:34:33) White Knight: Both in our culture and in D'ni's culture, women have tended to have higher Life Levels

(05/29 17:35:13) White Knight: Hey, but don't forget that there are still some men with good Life Levels, too

(05/29 17:35:34) Dra'gossh: a man with good LL is considered a fool these days. which is sad.

(05/29 17:35:38) D'Ana: because of their concern and love for the children, parents and husbands. more important than power and gold.

(05/29 17:35:42) White Knight: Yes, very sad

(05/29 17:35:51) White Knight: Yep

(05/29 17:36:48) D'Ana: thank you, white knigt, for showing me something important

(05/29 17:36:59) White Knight: Absolutely

(05/29 17:37:24) White Knight: So, does anyone have any trouble seeing how Life Levels can be applied to regular life?

(05/29 17:42:39) White Knight: I take it no one has any other comments, questions, or anything else for me about Life Levels or the Guild of Peasants?

(05/29 17:42:54) White Knight: Everyone can see the applicability of Life Levels just fine?

(05/29 17:43:44) Tanshin: From what I was here for I can gather a nice understanding

(05/29 17:44:07) White Knight: Ok, check out www.GoPeasants.blogspot.com for all this info in greater depth

(05/29 17:44:25) White Knight salutes

(05/29 17:44:29) White Knight bows

(05/29 17:44:34) D'Ana bows

(05/29 17:44:42) White Knight: Good night, everyone!

(05/29 17:47:58) Tanshin waves goodbye

(05/29 17:48:04) White Knight waves goodbye

Here's looking to a good meeting this Saturday, 5 June, 2010! Currently, I'm thinking about having it at 3PM KI time (2PM was a little early, and 4PM was a little late...), but I'll let you know!

Shorah,

MO:ULa KI #: 03570860